Executive Assistant Reed Smith USExecutive AssistantChicago, Illinois$36–$44.23Full timeThis role will deliver value in the following ways: central support resource for the leader and the practice team; an integrator connecting work streams that would otherwise remain siloed; a communicator linking the practice team, clients and the broader organization. Leveraging the Firm's Travel Department while overseeing all aspects of travel planning, logistics, details and execution, to attorney's preferences, aiming to be efficient with the attorney's time during business trips, and keeping client-related components of business trips at the forefront.
NewRegional Growth Executive – Government & Infrastructure JobotRegional Growth Executive – Government & InfrastructureChicago, IL$370,000–$470,000 / yearInformation collected and processed as part of your Jobot candidate profile, and any job applications, resumes, or other information you choose to submit is subject to Jobot's Privacy Policy, as well as the Jobot California Worker Privacy Notice and Jobot Notice Regarding Automated Employment Decision Tools which are available at jobot.com/legal. This individual will serve as a senior ambassador, strengthening relationships with government agencies, elected officials, and key stakeholders while helping identify, develop, and advance major infrastructure and public-sector opportunities.
NewSales Executive - Manufacturing - Hybrid JobotSales Executive - Manufacturing - HybridHammond, IN$75,000–$90,000 / yearInformation collected and processed as part of your Jobot candidate profile, and any job applications, resumes, or other information you choose to submit is subject to Jobot's Privacy Policy, as well as the Jobot California Worker Privacy Notice and Jobot Notice Regarding Automated Employment Decision Tools which are available at jobot.com/legal. The Sales Executive for our business will wear multiple hats including business development, marketing, visits to our plant in Hammond, and networking around Chicagoland.
NewExecutive Administrative Assistant Medline IndustriesExecutive Administrative AssistantNorthfield, IL$35.50–$51.50 / hourFull timeIntermediate level skill in Microsoft PowerPoint (for example: applying a theme, formatting character spacing, inserting a picture, changing slide layout and theme colors, adding transitions, customizing slide numbers, changing chart style and/or formatting font). Intermediate level skill in Microsoft Excel (for example: using SUM function, setting borders, setting column width, inserting charts, using text wrap, sorting, setting headers and footers and/or print scaling).
NewProject Executive (Healthcare) JobotProject Executive (Healthcare)Elmhurst, IL$150,000–$215,000 / yearInformation collected and processed as part of your Jobot candidate profile, and any job applications, resumes, or other information you choose to submit is subject to Jobot's Privacy Policy, as well as the Jobot California Worker Privacy Notice and Jobot Notice Regarding Automated Employment Decision Tools which are available at jobot.com/legal. The ideal candidate will have a strong background in healthcare/medical construction projects and be able to lead and manage a team of professionals to deliver successful projects on time and within budget.
Executive Catering Chef - DePaul University AramarkExecutive Catering Chef - DePaul UniversityCHICAGO, IL$75,000–$85,000The Catering Executive Chef is a management position overseeing chef managers as well as hourly culinary staff, responsible for developing and executing culinary solutions to meet customer needs and tastes. BENEFITS: Aramark offers comprehensive benefit programs and services for eligible employees including medical, dental, vision, and work/life resources.
NewDual Destination Sales Executive Marriott International, IncDual Destination Sales ExecutiveChicago, IL$36.06–$48.08Works collaboratively with off-property sales channels (e.g., Sales Office, Area Sales, Enterprise Sales Team (EST)) to verify that the property needs are being achieved and the sales efforts are complementary, not duplicative. • Attends pre- and post-convention meetings to understand group needs, obtain feedback on quality of product (e.g., rooms, meeting facilities and equipment, food and beverage), service levels and overall satisfaction.
NewAccount Executive - Energy Solutions Constellation EnergyAccount Executive - Energy SolutionsLockport, IL$100,800–$142,000Bachelor's degree and a minimum of 4 years of consultative, solutions-based sales experience in one of the following industries: Energy Savings Performance Contracting (ESPC), Facility Infrastructure Upgrades, commercial construction, Energy as a Service, Mechanical Contracting (design/build), Energy Efficiency Solutions, Sustainability-based Infrastructure Projects, Facility-based Sustainability Projects, and/or Original Equipment Manufacturers. Bachelor's degree and a minimum of 8 years of consultative, solutions-based sales experience in one of the following industries: Energy Savings Performance Contracting (ESPC), Facility Infrastructure Upgrades, commercial construction, Energy as a Service, Mechanical Contracting (design/build), Energy Efficiency Solutions, Sustainability-based Infrastructure Projects, Facility-based Sustainability Projects, and/or Original Equipment Manufacturers.
Executive Assistant Beacon Hill Staffing Group, LLCExecutive AssistantChicago, Illinois$110,000–$120,000 / yearFull timeLearn more about Beacon Hill and our specialty divisions, Beacon Hill Associates, Beacon Hill Financial, Beacon Hill HR, Beacon Hill Legal, Beacon Hill Life Sciences and Beacon Hill Technologies by visiting www.bhsg.com . Our niche brands offer a complete suite of staffing services to emerging growth companies and the Fortune 500 across market sectors, career specialties/disciplines and industries.
Sr. Executive Assistant AAR CorpSr. Executive AssistantWood Dale, IL$85,000–$100,000 / yearThe ideal candidate thrives in a fast-paced environment, exercises sound judgment and discretion, and takes pride in making complex operations run seamlessly. Proficiency with Microsoft Office 365, Teams, and travel/expense systems; enthusiasm for leveraging AI tools like CoPilot to enhance productivity.
Sr. Executive Assistant to the CEO Zurich Insurance Group LtdSr. Executive Assistant to the CEOChicago, ILReporting directly to the CEO, this role functions as a strategic partner and gatekeeper, serving as a primary point of contact for internal and external stakeholders including internal global business leaders, external customer executives, senior government officials, and NGO representatives. In this highly visible and impactful role, you will be responsible for: Providing comprehensive day-to-day executive support to the CEO, proactively anticipating current and future needs to enable the achievement of strategic priorities.
Executive Assistant to Chief Legal Officer and Board of Directors Littelfuse IncExecutive Assistant to Chief Legal Officer and Board of DirectorsChicago, IL$67,300–$90,520 / yearAs a key member of the Legal organization, you will work closely with executive leadership, Board members, external counsel, and stakeholders across the company to support corporate governance activities, legal operations, compliance initiatives, investigations, and project coordination. Success in this role requires anticipating needs, managing competing priorities, exercising sound judgment, and delivering exceptional service while helping maximize the effectiveness and productivity of the CLO and Board of Directors.
NewExecutive Assistant D.R. Horton IncExecutive AssistantSchaumburg, IL$60,000–$90,000 / yearAdministrative'',''Administrative'',''Illinois-Schaumburg'',''Illinois-Schaumburg'','''','''',''Home Builder'',''Home Builder'',''Full-time'',''Full-time'',''Jul 6, 2026, 5:00:00 AM'',''Jul 6, 2026, 5:00:00 AM'','''','''',''false'',''false'',''265605'',''265605'',''true'',''265605'',''false'',''Submission for the position: Executive Assistant - (Job Number: 2603226)'',''false'',''265605'',''false'',''true''. Oversee building maintenance including scheduling/contracting pest control, scheduling the annual fire safety inspection of fire extinguishers/signs, acting as a liaison to property management, etc.
Executive Assistant R1 RCM IncExecutive AssistantChicago, IL$85,825.25–$107,281.56 / yearWe are the one company that combines the deep expertise of a global workforce of revenue cycle professionals with the industry's most advanced technology platform, encompassing sophisticated analytics, AI, intelligent automation, and workflow orchestration. The Company's employment practices , including those regarding recruitment, hiring, assignment, promotion, compensation, benefits, training, discipline, and termination shall not be based on any person's age, color, national origin, citizenship status, physical or mental disability, medical condition, race, religion, creed, gender, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity and/or expression, genetic information, marital status, status with regard to public assistance, veteran status or any other characteristic protected by federal, state or local law.
Executive Assistant ApolisExecutive AssistantChicago, IL$32–$36 / hourThis is a high-visibility role requiring a proactive, highly organized professional who can operate as a trusted partner and “second brain” to executive leadership. Our client is seeking an experienced Executive Assistant to support the newly appointed President of the organization.
Executive Assistant, Private Equity Performance Improvement - MAS Alvarez & Marsal Holdings LLCExecutive Assistant, Private Equity Performance Improvement - MASChicago, IL$80,000–$90,000 / yearA&M's Private Equity Performance Improvement Services (PEPI) practice, with offices throughout the US, focuses on serving upper middle market and large cap private equity firms who have engaged A&M to help improve operating results at their portfolio companies. Additionally, employees are eligible for paid time off including vacation, personal days, seventy-two (72) hours of sick time (prorated for part time employees), ten federal holidays, one floating holiday, and parental leave.
Executive Assistant Egon Zehnder International AGExecutive AssistantChicago, ILBuild positive relationships and interface regularly with high-level executive candidates (Fortune 500 client executives & candidates) involved in highly confidential projects. Arrange all scheduling, including but not limited to, candidate meetings and interviews, client meetings and interviews, business development meetings, assignment related meetings, internal meetings, video conferencing, etc.
Executive Assistant | Full-Time | McCormick Place Convention Center Oak View GroupExecutive Assistant | Full-Time | McCormick Place Convention CenterChicago, Illinois$42–$48 / hourThe Executive Assistant provides high-level administrative and clerical support to the Executive Leadership Team, which includes, Vice President, Associate Vice President and 14 Directors by managing daily office operations, coordination communications, maintaining records, and assisting with business and administrative functions. Founded in 2015, the company serves a collection of seven world-class owned venues and a client roster of the most iconic arenas, stadiums, convention centers, music festivals, performing arts centers, and cultural institutions, spanning four continents.
Executive Assistant Chicago Public SchoolsExecutive AssistantChicago, IL$58,000–$76,000 / yearChicago Public Schools (CPS) is one of the largest school districts in the United States, serving over 325,000 students in 500+ schools and employing nearly 45,000 people, most of them teachers. • Exceptional communication skills (verbal, written and interpersonal), with the ability to interact positively and professionally at all times with parents, students, external partners, schools, and CPS Departments.
Executive Assistant 2 PanduitExecutive Assistant 2Tinley Park, IllinoisActing with exceptional judgment and discretion, the Executive Assistant handles confidential information, supports special projects, oversees policy and procedure management, and streamlines administrative operations to maximize executive efficiency and organizational impact. This role manages domestic and international travel, coordinates executive meetings and large-scale events, and ensures leaders are prepared for every engagement.
Executive Assistant & Office Manager ThoughtSpot IncExecutive Assistant & Office ManagerChicago, IL$70,000–$95,000 / yearSpotters are expected to demonstrate AI literacy and workflow integration to include to ability to: Comfortably and confidently integrate artificial intelligence into their daily workflow to increase productivity and quality. All Spotters are expected to experiment with ThoughtSpot's AI tools (like Spotter and SpotterViz) and leading industry LLMs to streamline workflows, enhance output, and uncover new insights.
Executive Assistant Aunt Martha's Health & WellnessExecutive AssistantChicago, IL$65,000–$75,000 / yearAunt Martha's Health & Wellness has become a critical resource for youth and families throughout Illinois, empowering patients and clients to face challenges head-on and find sustainable, tailored solutions that support a better quality of life. The ideal candidate will exercise strong judgment in a variety of situations and demonstrate excellent communication, administrative, and organizational skills while managing multiple priorities in a fast-paced environment.
Executive Assistant Pantheon Systems IncExecutive AssistantChicago, IL$98,000–$121,000 / yearAn Executive Assistant at Pantheon knows how to partner with our leadership team and proactively solve potential problems to ensure critical initiatives stay on track - and that executives are equipped to focus on what matters most. In this role, you will provide comprehensive, high-level support to C-Level executives, managing a range of projects, coordinating meeting logistics, overseeing travel and accommodations, and handling expense reporting.
Executive Assistant Hilco GlobalExecutive AssistantChicago, IllinoisComplete a wide variety of administrative tasks that facilitate the leaders’ ability to effectively lead the organization, including the following: assisting with special projects; designing and producing complex documents, reports, and presentations; collecting and preparing information for meetings with staff and outside parties; composing and preparing correspondence; maintaining contact lists. Hilco Global, a subsidiary of ORIX Corporation USA, is a diversified financial services company that delivers integrated professional services and capital solutions that help clients maximize value and drive performance across the retail, commercial and industrial, real estate, manufacturing, brand and intellectual property sectors, and more.
Executive Assistant, C-Suite (Temp-to-Perm) Covista IncExecutive Assistant, C-Suite (Temp-to-Perm)Chicago, ILAs a trusted partner to the President, you will operate as an extension of leadership-bringing clarity, structure, and forward-thinking execution to a highly dynamic environment: Anticipate & Align: Act as a proactive thought partner, anticipating needs and aligning priorities to drive the President's highest-impact work. The College of Nursing offers a three-year Bachelor of Science in Nursing degree program and flexible post-licensure programs, such as the RN to BSN option, Master of Science in Nursing degree program, Doctor of Nursing Practice degree program and graduate certificates.
Executive Assistant Egon ZehnderExecutive AssistantChicago, ILRemote$85,000–$90,000Our U.S. Offices include Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Dallas, Denver, Houston, Los Angeles, Miami, Minneapolis, New York, Palo Alto, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Seattle, and Washington D.C. Build positive relationships and interface regularly with high-level executive candidates (Fortune 500 client executives & candidates) involved in highly confidential projects.
Executive Assistant to the Chief School Business Official Illinois Association of School AdministratorsExecutive Assistant to the Chief School Business OfficialDolton, IL$55,000–$60,000 / yearThe Executive Assistant to the Assistant Superintendent/Chief School Business Official (CSBO) provides high-level administrative and organizational support to ensure the efficient operation of the Business Office. Riverdale, IL 60827 Phone (708) 841-2290 Fax (708) 841-5048 IASA Region Cook South County Cook (South) County Employment Type Full-time permanent Job Category Clerical Grade Level Other.
Executive Assistant | Full Time | McCormick Place Convention Center Oak View GroupExecutive Assistant | Full Time | McCormick Place Convention CenterChicago, IL$42–$48 / hourThe Executive Assistant provides high-level administrative and clerical support to the Executive Leadership Team, which includes, Vice President, Associate Vice President and 14 Directors by managing daily office operations, coordination communications, maintaining records, and assisting with business and administrative functions. Founded in 2015, the company serves a collection of seven world-class owned venues and a client roster of the most iconic arenas, stadiums, convention centers, music festivals, performing arts centers, and cultural institutions, spanning four continents.
NewExecutive Assistant to the Vice President for Business and Finance Elmhurst UniversityExecutive Assistant to the Vice President for Business and FinanceElmhurst, ILRequired abilities include speaking and hearing for in-person and virtual communication, using close and distance vision when reading documents or viewing screens, and performing tasks with repetitive fine motor skills. Working across a broad portfolio of functions, the position coordinates activities, tracks key initiatives, and facilitates collaboration among senior university leaders, faculty, staff, trustees, vendors, and external partners.
Executive Assistant Northern Trust CorpExecutive AssistantChicago, IL$61,500–$98,300 / yearIn this creative environment, you will be primarily responsible for providing seamless support to the Chief Marketing Officer as well as having the opportunity to work with a diverse group of creative professionals with different areas expertise who work collaboratively to contribute to the success of our company. As a global leader in innovative wealth management, asset servicing, asset management and banking services, Northern Trust (Nasdaq: NTRS) is proud to guide the world's most successful individuals, families, corporations and institutions.
Executive Assistant Solve IT Strategies, Inc.Executive AssistantChicago, ILManage and coordinate special projects, conducting research, analysis, and recommending solutions to improve organizational processes and efficiency. Implement process improvements within assigned areas of responsibility and support broader organizational initiatives.
Senior Executive Assistant Salesforce IncSenior Executive AssistantIL$81,800–$145,200 / yearCoordinate internal and external meetings including but not limited to team meetings, full staff meetings, all hands meetings, off- site meetings, one-on-one meetings, meetings with team members and customers, etc. Your impact: Our Executive Assistants understand that the success of the executive is a reflection of their work and vice versa, which creates a true atmosphere of teamwork and job satisfaction.
Healthcare Executive Assistant DuPage OphthalmologyHealthcare Executive AssistantLombard, IL$68,000–$75,000 / yearThe Executive Assistant serves as a key liaison between executives, clinical teams, staff, and external partners, ensuring efficient day-to-day operations and effective communication. The Healthcare Executive Assistant provides high-level administrative, operational, and strategic support to senior healthcare leadership.
Executive Assistant (C-Suite) StratAcuity Staffing Partners IncExecutive Assistant (C-Suite)Chicago, IL$75,000–$85,000 / yearIn terms of professional development, Everforth Apex hosts an on-demand training program, provides access to certification prep and a library of technical and leadership courses/books/seminars once you have 6+ months of tenure, and certification discounts and other perks to associations that include CompTIA and IIBA. Everforth Apex also offers a HSA (Health Savings Account on the HDHP plan), a SupportLinc Employee Assistance Program (EAP) with up to 8 free counseling sessions, a corporate discount savings program and other discounts.
Senior Executive Assistant S&C Electric CoSenior Executive AssistantChicago, IL$79,827–$105,767.86 / yearS&C provides a comprehensive and competitive benefit package that includes the following (eligibility requirements apply): Health and Welfare Benefits: Medical & Prescription, Dental, Vision, Health Care and Dependent Care Flexible Spending Accounts, , Health Savings Account (HSA), Group Life Insurance, optional Supplemental Life and AD&D Insurance, Wellbeing Resources including Employee Assistance Program and Family Forming Benefits (i.e., Adoption and Fertility support). Today, as the world faces extreme weather events and the demand for electricity grows, S&C continues to innovate and advance the electrical grid, ensuring reliable and resilient power for homes, communities, and critical infrastructure around the world.
Executive Assistant PhaxisExecutive AssistantChicago, ILYou will provide high-level administrative support by periodically providing research, preparing reports, handling information requests, and performing clerical functions such as preparing correspondence, receiving visitors, arranging conference calls, travel arrangements, and scheduling meetings. You should demonstrate experience in developing relationships in a highly matrixed organization as well as experience in handling the administrative and executive support related tasks with minimal supervision.
Executive Assistant Tower Communications ExpertExecutive AssistantBurr Ridge, IllinoisAssociate will be executing administrative tasks, coordinating personal arrangements, overseeing travel and experiences, providing support and backup for the Office Manager, and executing special projects. The ideal Executive Assistant is highly discrete and has experience managing the demands and opportunities associated with the uniqueness of an high net worth household.
Executive Assistant & Office Manager Sedron TechnologiesExecutive Assistant & Office ManagerChicago, IllinoisThis role is well suited for someone who enjoys balancing executive support, operational coordination, office management, and light project management responsibilities while helping create structure and momentum across the organization. This role serves as a central coordination point for executive scheduling, board and external communications, meeting logistics, presentation and document preparation, administrative operations, and special projects.
Executive Assistant - Wealth Management Global Sales Northern TrustExecutive Assistant - Wealth Management Global SalesChicago, ILFull timeThe Executive Assistant for Wealth Management's Global Sales organization provides essential administrative support to the Head of Global Sales and sales leadership team and contribu tes to the growth of the business. Northern Trust is proud to provide innovative financial services and guidance to the world's most successful individuals, families, and institutions by remaining true to our enduring principles of service, expertise, and integrity.
Executive Assistant to General Counsel and Corporate Secretary Office Galapagos NVExecutive Assistant to General Counsel and Corporate Secretary OfficeChicago, ILWe are GALAPAGOS, headquartered in Belgium and growing our executive team in the U.S. with a mission to focus on delivering best-in-class medicines with transformational impact for patients by accelerating life-changing science and innovation in areas of high unmet need, primarily immunology and oncology. Partner with Finance and Business Controllers to oversee the full vendor and financial management cycle-including PR/PO/GR creation, contract onboarding, invoice processing, internal approvals in SAP, expense reporting and ongoing budget tracking and spend management.
Executive Assistant - Marketing Vizient IncExecutive Assistant - MarketingChicago, IL$68,500–$116,300 / yearBeyond traditional executive support responsibilities, this role will help facilitate leadership team effectiveness by coordinating team meetings, tracking action items, supporting planning activities, and helping ensure successful execution of strategic initiatives. At Vizient, our support professionals are highly respected and, as an organization, we are committed to our administrative community by offering a unique approach to career development through skill development, knowledge expansion, networking, leadership development, and professional growth.
Executive Assistant (HR/Legal) Hub International LtdExecutive Assistant (HR/Legal)Chicago, IL$60,000–$90,000 / yearDisclosure required under applicable law in California, Colorado, Illinois, Maryland, Minnesota, New York, New Jersey, and Washington states: The expected salary range for this position is $60,000- $90,000 (non-exempt) and will be impacted by factors such as the successful candidates skills, experience and working location, as well as the specific positions business line, scope and level. The Executive Assistant provides high-level administrative and operational support to the Chief Human Resources Officer (CHRO), the HR Leadership Team, and the Legal Leadership Team.
Executive Assistant (HR/Legal) Hub International InsuranceExecutive Assistant (HR/Legal)Chicago, Illinois$60,000–$90,000 / yearThe Executive Assistant provides high-level administrative and operational support to the Chief Human Resources Officer (CHRO), the HR Leadership Team, and the Legal Leadership Team. The expected salary range for this position is $60,000- $90,000 (non-exempt) and will be impacted by factors such as the successful candidate’s skills, experience and working location, as well as the specific position’s business line, scope and level.
Executive Assistant, Officers Encore Group (USA) LLCExecutive Assistant, OfficersSchiller Park, ILMakes timely arrangements for department meetings, video and conference calls to include booking rooms, arranging for meals, assuring AV and meeting supply needs are met, taking meeting minutes, and coordinating all meeting planning with appropriate internal and external parties. Ensures operation of equipment in meeting rooms by completing preventive maintenance requirements; following manufacturers instructions; troubleshooting malfunctions; calling for repairs; maintaining equipment inventories; evaluating new equipment and techniques.
Executive Assistant Pantheon Systems, IncExecutive AssistantChicago, IL$98,000–$130,000 / yearDemonstrated project management skills, including tracking key deliverables, driving accountability for action items, coordinating cross-functional initiatives, and helping strategic priorities move from planning through execution. An Executive Assistant at Pantheon serves as a trusted partner to our leadership team, proactively solving problems, coordinating strategic initiatives, and ensuring critical business priorities stay on track.
Executive Assistant & Office Manager Sedron Technologies LLCExecutive Assistant & Office ManagerChicago, IL$84,000–$115,000 / yearBecause we design, build, commission, and operate our technologies, we are looking for individuals who can meet the following essential functions of the position: Support executive leadership with coordination and tracking of key initiatives, action items, and cross-functional projects. This role is well suited for someone who enjoys balancing executive support, operational coordination, office management, and light project management responsibilities while helping create structure and momentum across the organization.
Executive Assistant Invenergy LLCExecutive AssistantChicago, IL$55,000–$100,000 / yearSupport executive effectiveness and preparation, including coordinating materials and schedules for speaking engagements, attending meetings and educational programs on behalf of leadership when needed, and providing organized notes, action items, and follow-up to ensure continuity and execution. Coordinate and execute logistics for professional and personal engagements, including meetings, appointments, conferences, speaking engagements, board meetings, leadership events, travel, and hospitality events involving internal and external people.
Executive Assistant - Elected Officer BoeingExecutive Assistant - Elected OfficerChicago, IllinoisThe Boeing Company also provides eligible employees with an opportunity to enroll in a variety of benefit programs, generally including health insurance, flexible spending accounts, health savings accounts, retirement savings plans, life and disability insurance programs, and a number of programs that provide for both paid and unpaid time away from work. Boeing is a Drug Free Workplace where post offer applicants and employees are subject to testing for marijuana, cocaine, opioids, amphetamines, PCP, and alcohol when criteria is met as outlined in our policies.
Executive Assistant - Onsite Mon-Fri CovestroExecutive Assistant - Onsite Mon-FriChicago, IllinoisResponsible for meeting logistics and coordination for virtual and on-site meetings including technology, presentation, preparation and distribution of meeting materials, preparation of meeting spaces, and coordination of catering services. Coordinate Chicago office logistics including space planning, visitor coordination, supply management, and maintenance requests, ensuring the office meets the needs of local staff and visiting executives.
Executive Assistant InvenergyExecutive AssistantChicago, IL$70,000–$105,000 / yearSupport executive effectiveness and preparation, including coordinating materials and schedules for speaking engagements, attending meetings and educational programs on behalf of leadership when needed, and providing organized notes, action items, and follow-up to ensure continuity and execution. Coordinate and execute logistics for professional and personal engagements, including meetings, appointments, conferences, speaking engagements, board meetings, leadership events, travel, and hospitality events involving internal and external people.